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Ivan Gautama, Business Development at Dekoruma
upxed Feb 1, 2016
Like the rest of the world, we look at China in awe.
A communist country, with a billion of people, and then you can get an 8% GDP growth per year?
Damn. What are we doing until now? Sleeping?
One of Indonesian famous person (former CEO, former minister, a hero figures to a lot of people) Dahlan Iskan learn Chinese after he get his liver surgery there (correct me if I'm wrong). The rumor says that at first he have no interest in China and China culture, but arriving there and seeing how China has developed, put him in awe and make him learning Chinese.
In the 1960s Soeharto ban Chinese Indonesian to use Chinese language, a Chinese newspaper was banned, and Chinese language teaching was also banned. This makes me included in "the lost generation", a generation of Chinese Indonesian who cannot speak Mandarin. However, Soeharto's fall and China rise around 2000s makes almost every middle-high income parents force their children to learn Chinese now.
A school considered as a good school if they can provide English & Chinese language lesson. Especially in big cities like Jakarta.
China's product also invade Indonesian life, there is a lot of cheap, very cheap motorcycle from China, with brand like Jialing, Kaisar, Viar, etc. Makes a huge motorcycle ownership in Indonesia. Of course this brings an increase of GDP (and debt) for Indonesian.
Printed Batik from China makes a lot of Indonesian Batik craftsman lose their market (and their job). This makes me little bit sad and angry, but there is nothing we can do.
I guess in the big picture, Indonesia (as a country) idolize China's growth economy.
A lot of Indonesian are happy to see a news that Foxconn (a factory from China) is going to open their factory in Indonesia. I guess our IHSG (JSX Composite) an index of all stocks that trade on the Indonesia Stock Exchange always increase every time Foxconn says that he will open a factory in Indonesia.
We criticize our politicians comparing Indonesia to China.
We wish our government imposing a death penalty to a corrupt statesman, like what China do.
We wish our government put more infrastructure development like what China do.
We turn our rice field into factory to make Indonesia become an industrialized country (like China). For this one I don't really like it.
We gives a vacation to China for top salesman.
A middle high income family will prepare a trip to China to see China beautiful scenery.
We get a lot of new rich man who import stuff from China and then sell it in Indonesia.
For me, there are two countries which goes on high GDP during this past 20 years, which is India and China.
In Indonesia, Indonesian knows more, a lot more, lot lot more about China's economy growth compared to India's economy growth.
However this doesn't change Indonesia's opinion about Chinese Indonesian, in fact I guess China's economy growth make China Indonesian looks more wealthier, hence the social gap is still quite visible (I know this doesn't make sense, but I guess a racist Indonesian just say "look at those slanted eyes bastard, keep getting richer every day).
I guess Indonesia (as a country) dreaming to be the next China.
Answered May 31, 2016
As an Indonesian Chinese person I have very mixed feelings about China. My feeling for China is a mixture of love and hate.
I really hate China because of the human rights abuses, food safety problems, products safety problems, severe corruption problems (although Indonesia also still has corruption problems as well), products counterfeiting, social disparity problem (although Indonesia also still has social disparity problem as well), environmental damages, and the communism within China. Also, I find many Mainland Chinese people to be uncivilized, inhuman, untrustworthy, cunning, poor-mannered, dishonest, irritating, rude, and unhygienic. And I also really hate what Mao Zedong did to China, that man really ruined China, in fact if you read Mao Zedong’s biography, you will find out that all the bad things about China are all related to Mao Zedong. Then, I find China’s hegemonism policies to be really annoying, there are too many other countries hate China because of China’s hegemonism policies.
On the other hand I really love China for her culture, history, cuisine, and artworks. I find Chinese history to be quite fascinating (especially the history that occurred during the Han, Tang, Song, and Ming periods). Chinese culture is also quite fascinating to me, there are just so many things that I find interesting about Chinese culture (e.g: feng shui, Confucianism, ancestor worship, ancestor recording, superstition, celebrations, etc.). Chinese artworks are really beautiful, I really love many Chinese artworks (e.g: paintings, calligraphy, carvings, embroidery, porcelain, paper cutting, knotting, handicrafts, etc.). Chinese cuisine is just so good, I especially adore Cantonese style and Teochew style Chinese cuisine.
Ikhsan Radjab, Citizen of Indonesia
Answered May 19, 2015
China as a culture or China as a country?
oh well i will just answer both
China as a culture
Raden Bruri Mulianto
Answered May 28, 2015
From my point of view
I see the rise of china quite positive
China's rise means rise of almost every single asian nation to build the 21st century as asian century, including Indonesia and even nations beyond asia. Not only that, but also more prosperity to the US and its allies.
China is another alternative of world's super power.
After the fall of Soviet unx, the US was the only hyper power, and it is too very very much agressive in this world. She felt like nobody is going to challenge her.
Like what putin said.
EVERYTHING THE US TOUCHES TURNS INTO WAR
which I tend to agree based on what I see in every nations the US involved in, to quote "solve the problem".
And when the US was the only hyper power,
The dumb, yet arguably the world's most powerful man, President GW Bush can aggressively told the world STAND WITH US OR AGAINST US.
Which I doubt Obama can say such statement with the rise of CHINA. Even US allies would rather step towards China. For example, UK, France, Germany and Australia ignored US warning to join the China's led AIIB.
Even Australian Professor Hugh White made a comment about Australia stepping back from being a US ally, and then play the middle power. He said:
We're gonna pretend that you're the biggest country on earth as long as possible, which we know it's not true.
At the 1997 asian financial crisis, We were the hardest hit by it.
And we certainly didn't like how US-owned World Bank and IMF or Japan's ADB handled the situation. They didn't really help. The attachment of closing down our weapon maker PT PINDAD or aircraft maker PT DIRGANTARA INDONESIA that potentially challenge their American counterpart, explained it. But we had no choice.
You might also wanna ask brazil's point of view about IMF and World Bank. The same thing happened to their Aircraft maker (Embraer if I'm not mistaken).
After seeing the US attitude after the fall of Soviet unx, We positively welcome China's Rise as an alternative to the US as long as it is peaceful.
But, China's rise questionably means Good. China's claim in the South China Sea can be perceived as China's arrogance in its new found economic might.
China is the farthest country to the South China Sea compared to other claimants. Yet in 2009, she draws the so callled 9 dashed line and claims the entire sea based on "history" and ignoring that Almost every traders in the past "history" also used that sea. Some also said that it is even Overlapping the territory of Indonesia. I mean there are 9 countries between Indonesia and China and both countries separated thousands of mile. Yet, China's claim makes us share border with China or Even have territorial dispute with them in Natuna. And Chinese Patrol Vessel also caught entering Arafura sea couple times. I mean that water is part of Indonesia which is the closest to Australia and which should also be the farthest of china.
We don't want China to be Japan in World War II in the name of Asia. We need China to rise peacefully as an alternative to the US. We don't need China to be an Ally of the US. And we don't want China go to war against the US. And we need China to rise and to uplift other Asian Countries.
Randy Tasajaya, Born and raised here.
Answered May 21, 2016
I can't answer how Indonesians in general feel about China, maybe you can find studies / books about it, but let me give you my personal view as a twenty-something years old Indonesian who grew up in Indonesia. That being said, this answer is truly subjective and consists only of my opinions. This is not a scientific answer, but still would be a high-quality answer.
I think most Indonesians see China in accordance to their history. That being said, Indonesians see China as “the other ethnicity” in Indonesia other than the “indigenous (in Indonesian pribumi)”. So China is not seen like as the country “The People’s Republic of China”. There was a high racial tension between the Chinese-Indonesians and the Pribumi-Indonesians and a dark history about it, to learn more about that there are some interesting threads in Quora about it:
What is it like to be a Chinese Indonesian in China?
What is it like to be an ethnic Chinese in Indonesia?
or a Wikipedia article:
Discrimination against Chinese Indonesians
While I also had the same view like that towards China, now that I'm older I see China only just as another country in the world. This racial difference is maybe still there to be seen, and when I as a Chinese-Indonesian get offended, it still hurts as a normal human being, but I just really couldn't care less. I see China as the most populous country in the world, with amazing economy and great power. And just like the rest of the world, now I think about China mostly just like what the media says about them (I don't and never have lived in China). I think it's safe to say, that most educated Indonesians now would also share the same view like mine, so they don't see China solely as a different ethnicity in Indonesia anymore.
I have friends from many different countries ; just as my European friends differ from Indonesians, so do my Chinese friends. I don't feel any connection with Chinese whatsoever, and so do my other Chinese-Indonesian friends think.
I'm half Chinese-Indonesian half Pribumi-Indonesian. My Pribumi side even has some Arab ancestry. Growing up in Jakarta, I have some Chinese-Indonesian friends and a lot of Pribumi-Indonesian friends. Me and my friends grow up just as Indonesians, there were no racial tensions or differentiation whatsoever. Well sometimes I encountered racial jokes, but nothing that really hurts me.
I think, Indonesians who still mock Chinese-Indonesians mostly are the ones who are not so fortunate to be able to afford enough education (this doesn't mean that the reversed logic holds true, which means not all Indonesians who aren't fortunate to be able to afford education would mock Chinese-Indonesians) ; or they are just some ignorant people which exist in every country.
According to a not so reliable source, my Chinese ancestors came to Indonesia in the 7th century, so there is now way I should still feel as Chinese in Indonesia, I mean after centuries have past. My grandparents are the last generation in my extended family who were still able to speak Chinese, and even they didn't feel as Chinese anymore. With this being said, not all Chinese-Indonesians have the same history like mine, some other Chinese-Indonesian fellows' ancestors may came to Indonesia just 100 years ago, or 70 years ago, etc.
I think all ethnicities in Indonesia shouldn't distant themselves from one another, especially in this modern time. In all differences we should live harmonously together to achieve a better future. We have this national motto in Indonesia “Bhinneka Tunggal Ika” which pretty much means “unity in diversity”, because even among Pribumi-Indonesians there are so many different ethnicities, again Indonesia is the fourth most populous country in the world just below the USA. Right now the Governor of the capital of Indonesia, Jakarta, is of Chinese descent. I think the key to achieve our national motto is an evenly spread education and avoiding ignorance behavior at best.
我认为印度尼西亚的所有种族都不应该彼此疏远，尤其是在现代。应该求同存异，我们应该和谐地生活在一起，以实现更美好的未来。在我们印度尼西亚有一个国家座右铭“Bhinneka Tunggal Ika”，这意味着“多样性的统一”，因为即使在印尼原住民人中也有很多不同的种族，印度尼西亚再次成为世界上第四大人口大国。 现在，印度尼西亚首都雅加达的总督是华人。我认为实现我们国家座右铭的关键是普及教育，充分避免无知行为。
Sang Ayu, Designer
Answered Jul 8, 2016
I will answer based on my view and others view that I encounter.
1.Indonesian love chinese food! beside India and middle east cuisine, chinese cuisine seeped into our local foods. It shaped the culinary world of Indonesia into what we enjoy today. There is even a say among my friend that if a restaurant frequented by chinese, it means the food there is legitimately tasty.
2. Chinese martial art & cinema. Jet li, Jacky chan and Andy lauw. This three actors was (and still is) hugely popular around the 90’s in Indonesia. Speaking about 90’s, was the era when our national tv station broadcasting a lot of chinese period drama & wuxia. i loved watching it as a kid and still cherished some of the story such as : To liong to, the impeccable twins and princess huan zu.
And who can forget Return of condor heroes? Oh my…. it swept the nation as one broadcast phenomenon. newspaper even reported death of a fans because he can not deal with one gripping episode that left him dissapointed..
3. Stingy. This is common stereotype. But stinginess also associated with male from padang ethnicity, because you know…traditionaly they dont get any inheritence and kicked out from their home after school, so they need to survive with little thing they have.
Mohamad Dody, lives in Indonesia
Answered May 22, 2016
She was and still good in economy, she could able to growth above 2 digits in 2 decades, it’s a miracle, Japan (Tokugawa), the US (post industrial revolution) or country which has more than 150 million population could able to achieve that in one of two generations, while she could able to quadrupled, quintupled her economy in just a blx of an eye.
However, the wake of the giant tends to spread menace to her neighbor. A modern country trying to break the status quo and draw her own borders yet forcing it by military might, she is a great threat. It is not like the USA which usually hire a part of land for their military base, she made one and claims that it was her.
What she can do to Malaysia, Vietnam, Phillipines, and Indonesia (not aterritory but EEZ), whilst possessed only one so so aircraft carrier, then we could imagine what will happen if she has 10 or 20 of it.
I have this view since the early 2000, whilst the commander of Indonesian Armed Forces confirm this treat after visited China in 2014 
Simple word, our commander visited a country and meet with their military commanders and ministry then a moment after return he allert that the country he was just visit is a threat to our security.
Nyoman Indra Kusumayasa, Good indonesian citizen and love indonesia
Answered Jul 6, 2016
Why we should ask how we feel about chinese?
if chinese is a racist, a lot of indonesian anchestor Came from chinese, thats Why a lot of my friend get “Hitachi” blood, hitam tapi china. And a lot of indonesian tribes have spitted eyes like palembang, kalimantan, lampung, medan, etc event i have a lot of friend doesn’t know Why the look like chinese Even they are sure they are 100% javanese, balinese, sulawesi, etc. Funny does it?
As a nation, i see chinese as a great nation, with the longest historical record in the world and the biggest tribe in the world. More than 35% world population have chinese blood in their genetic including, japan, korea, Taiwan, vietnam, thailand, half indonesian, and every country in the world have china town (pecinan). Hahaha
如果中国人是一个种族主义者，很多印尼人的祖先来自中国，那就是为什么我的很多朋友都会有““Hitachi”的血统，即“hitam tapi china——黑眼睛中国人”。很多印尼部族有斑点眼，像巨港，加里曼丹，楠榜，棉兰等地的人。我有很多朋友不知道为什么看起来像中国人，虽然他们肯定他们是100％爪哇人，巴厘岛人，苏拉威西人等等，这很有趣对吗？
A Szami Ilman, studied at Universitas Indonesia
Answered Jul 3, 2016
Let's make things short here
China is one of the greatest example of hardwork. Every teacher and lecturer often take China as an example of success. I also amazed with what they already achieved until today.Chinese tourists that i met all behave well and kind. Indonesian Chinese i know considered themselves as Indonesian rather than Chinese, which in this case is good and im happy about it. So, overall everything related to China is great for me and I hope Indonesians are able to work as hard as they already done.There is only one thing that i hate about China, which is...South China Sea Dispute
Vincenzo Immanuel, Students at University of Sarcasm (2016-present)
Answered Nov 13, 2017
billion of people
superpower in economy
north korea’s defender
being communist and capitalist at the same time
silly accident recorded by cctv